In 1954, Joseph Welch, an attorney with the Boston firm of Hale and Dorr, began demagogue Joseph McCarthy's downfall when, representing the Army, he tore into the bully from Wisconsin and his toady, Roy Cohn, for going after a young associate at Hale and Dorr as an alleged Communist. "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Welch began.
Yesterday, US Rep. Bill Keating, who represents areas south of Boston, reacted similarly when a Magat Republican from Texas misgendered US Rep. Sarah McBride of Delaware:
Well done, @keating.house.gov
A true ally doesn’t just watch—they stand up.
I’ve accidentally misgendered someone at my daughter’s school before. It happens. The moment I realized, I apologized and made sure not to do it again.
Rep Keith Self did this on purpose. He meant to be hurtful.
— Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline.com) March 12, 2025 at 3:49 PM
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Thank you, Rep. Keating
By mg
Wed, 03/12/2025 - 9:22pm
Thank you, Rep. Keating, for speaking out for respect and decency.
Keating was right
By deselby
Wed, 03/12/2025 - 10:29pm
being respectful to McBride costs nothing.
Not with Trump watching it
By Frelmont
Fri, 03/14/2025 - 10:20am
Not with Trump & Co. watching it doesn't.
Roy Cohn
By Charles Bahne
Wed, 03/12/2025 - 10:59pm
You forgot to mention Roy Cohn's direct association with the current generation of political bullies.
From Wikipedia's article on Cohn: "He [Cohn] represented and mentored Donald Trump during Trump's early business career." (Wikipedia's citation is to "A mentor in shamelessness: the man who taught Trump the power of publicity", The Guardian. London. April 20, 2016.)
Cohn was also a friend and mentor of Roger Stone, who is one of Trump's cronies today. The Wikipedia article on Stone says that he has been friends with Trump since 1979, and that Stone encouraged Trump to run for President starting in 1998. ["A Brief History of Roger Stone", The Atlantic (November 15, 2019).] Stone was found guilty of federal charges including witness tampering; his 40-month prison sentence was commuted by Trump and he was later pardoned by Trump.
There you have it: McCarthy to Cohn to Stone to Trump. A direct link from then to now, with more than a passing connection to Nixon. Seventy years. Nothing has changed.
Bravo to Keating, and to Welch.
Mixed Feelings
By BostonDog
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 8:14am
I thought Rep. McBride's retort, thanking the Madam Chair, was a great response in that moment.
Beyond that, I don't know how productive it was for Keating to take a stand the way he did. I fully support trans rights, but the GOP would like nothing more than the discussion to stay squarely focused on transgender topics and not on the wholesale destruction of the American government. It's great that Keating is defending the rights of transgender people (as he should) but I'd much rather him be a household name for being an unrelenting attack dog in calling out the Musk/Trump shit instead of staying quiet until falling into a GOP trap to shift the focus.
Uh uh
By lbb
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 11:24am
But that is the topic. It's the topic as much as anything else is the topic.
Yes, trans people are a small minority in this country. But when you throw that small minority under the bus, or you look on and say "oh dear", or you deprioritize the dehumanizing way that they are treated, you are complicit in the "wholesale destruction of the American government" - the government that is supposed to stand for all of us.
Misgendering a trans person isn't a big enough issue to focus the discussion on? Okay. What's big enough? Not allowing them to use bathrooms? Not allowing them to work as teachers or childcare workers? Not allowing them to dress as they want in public? Not allowing them to change their names or genders on official documents?
Fucksake. You think he can't do both?
He was standing up for you, too
By Sator
Fri, 03/14/2025 - 10:14am
That wasn't about what both you, and the GOP, claim it was about.
Might want to reflect on that, you making their argument for them... Does it pay well?
It was absolutely
By Frelmont
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 10:41am
It was absolutely discourteous, but, given the current rules, it was not technically “out of order.” Certainly a grandiose and an imperfect equivalency to McCarthy. Verbally assaulting and harassing the chair was out of order and I expect better from my fellow Democrats.
You're not as subtle as you think you are
By lbb
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 12:36pm
Your transphobia reeks. Like, the stench is obvious. You try to cover it up in pseudo-elevated language, but all that accomplishes is to make you seem like a pompous bigot.
What is gender? There’s
By Frelmont
Fri, 03/14/2025 - 10:52am
What is gender? There’s empirical, scientific-based gender and there’s notional gender and problematically, dogmatic gender. I accept trans people as they are, but I don’t accept the establishment of religions, or dogmas. It’s a short-sighted and counter-productive strategy on several fronts.
So, what does it mean to “mis-gender” someone? Does it make you a jerk, or a heretic?
The chair chose to use language as a weapon
By Daan
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 1:21pm
Trump et al. are using whatever their minds can wrap around as weapons, without (yet) resorting to physical weapons. Language which was clearly used with the intention to dismiss an individual, to purposely ignore basic language of self of an individual is weapon. Rep. Self (ironic name) chose to use language as a weapon and to assault a colleaque. The Representative does not have to agree with the self identification of the colleague. But basic comity - simply getting along to get work done - calls for respecting self identification of a colleague.
Assaulting another human being. it is dehumanization. It is violating the emotional and psychic integrity of a person. It is violence.
What makes Keating's response correct is that he chose to refuse to freeze or worse faun in response to Self's assault of a colleague. Keating chose to remind Self that he is obligated to act as human being of decency. Instead of acting like an alcoholic whose addiction carried him to destroying lives in the 1950s.
We are in a period when those who choose to use violence will not stop. They are addicts. Their addiction is to power. As addicts what the addiction hides is never satisfied. Just as any person addicted to alcohol, other drugs, gambling, sex or religion, the addiction has to be fed. There is no such thing as enough.
Violence by Self et al. will not stop unless it is stopped. Rep. Keating clearly told a man who chooses to embrace subtle violence that his actions will not be ignored or treated as something that has to be tolerated.
Stating an expectation of "better" from Democrats is to effectively support 1 to 3 reactions to violence:
Flight: running away
Freeze: Say nothing. Just sit while watching a person be verbally assaulted
Fawn - become compliant. Work toward the leader. Sychophancy.
First they came...
By Charles Bahne
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 2:25pm
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
—Martin Niemöller, circa 1946
The chair chose to follow the
By Frelmont
Fri, 03/14/2025 - 11:41am
The chair chose to follow the rules. Yes, he may be guilty of being one of Trump’s Willing Mis-genderers (apologies to Goldhagen,) but didn’t the House make a big show of advertising the new rule before the eyes of the world? And, yes, it would have been polite for Rep. Self to use his colleague’s notional and preferred honorific, but motive is likely not to committing “assault,” “de-humanize,” or be “violent,” it would be consistent with not subordinating and mis-representing one’s own beheld reflection of empirical reality. Is that giving Rep. Self too much credit? I don’t know him. Should Rep. Self have been the bigger man? Yeah. Probably. Did Rep. Keating act morally by breaking decorum? I think so. Can Democrats find much success in repeatedly violating rules of order? Probably not until they grok (apologies to Heinlein) and help their constituents grok the philosophical underpinnings of this whole debate around gender ideology and especially in women’s sports.
Here's the truth
By lbb
Fri, 03/14/2025 - 1:29pm
Here's the truth about you, quisling.
Go find your home on X.
my fellow Democrats
By Scratchie
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 4:32pm
LOL Spare us your concern. I'm sure your "fellow Democrats" can do just fine without your free advice.
How about a little Cake?
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 7:48pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPaJl7tZstM
Fuck you
By Fuck you
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 11:01am
Fuck you and fuck off to Hungary or Russia, troll.
Adam, can anything be done
By Anonymous
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 12:00pm
Adam, can anything be done about the troll Frelmont? They showed their hand a little too cleanly this time. “Standing up to bullying is what’s really ‘Out Of Order’ hurr durr” is not in any world a good-faith argument.
I did not take this forum for
By Frelmont
Fri, 03/14/2025 - 5:19pm
I did not take this forum for an echo chamber. Do you? Seriously, have no tolerance for dissent? Can your worldview not withstand philosophical prodding?
I've studied Joseph Welch,
By Anonymous
Thu, 03/13/2025 - 12:27pm
I've studied Joseph Welch, Joseph Welch is my Hero, Representative Keating you're no Joseph Welch.
Thank you Representative Keating! but...
By Don't Panic
Fri, 03/14/2025 - 12:59am
Please keep in mind: The current MAGA so called Republican politicians; Do not have a sense of decency.
You did an excellent job sir.
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